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“He also thinks that Jesus’ Eucharistic words, “Take, eat,” are intended as a reversal of the (bad) eating in the story in Genesis 3. While these sorts of parallels have a rightful and beautiful place in Christian liturgy and reflection, I would say that such conjectures about authorial or divine intentions are not evidential in themselves but rather arise as possibilities only at the end of a separate, more crudely evidential, argument.”

Any chance this can be unpacked more, especially the last sentence?

Jesus is described as a new Adam in Romans and the idea of taking and eating does seem to be a direct connection to Jesus is the new Adam concept. This seems to be an example of how biblical narrative works, connecting different acts with the same words (although I don’t know if the word for eat at Communion matches to the word eat in Genesis 3 per the LXX). I am not a scholar but am willing to learn!

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> But Luke does not record any massacre of innocents; only Matthew does. Nor is this merely a slip of the tongue. Luke’s infancy narrative is the only one that mentions Augustus; Matthew’s does not. Since Holland’s theory is that Luke in particular is inventing things to contrast Jesus and Augustus, the slaughter of the innocents cannot be evidence of any such intention.

I also found this episode of a historian misstating a fact in a way that fit his narrative instructive, but in a different way. To me, it shows the way that someone developing a narrative of events is inevitably affected by the framing he is bringing to the story. I find your arguments that the Gospel writers are not intentionally fabricating events persuasive. But I think you are downplaying the possibility that they not only made random errors of fact but very likely misstated events in ways that fit their preconceived notions in terms of fulfilling prophecies and so on. That is just how human memory works, right?

I myself have been shocked to discover that I had come to believe a self-serving falsehood that I once knew not to be the case. In the instance I'm thinking of, I had included a particular statistical analysis that showed a statistically significant result in a draft paper. I had no recollection of cherry-picking the specification that got a significant result. I believed I had chosen the particular model purely based on a priori reasons. But when I looked back at my notes, I discovered that I had tried other equally valid specifications that had *not* found statistically significant results.

The thing is that people writing about events decades after the fact are probably not working from written notes taken down at the time. They are thus prone to honest false memories and have no sure check against them. I think it's also important to remember that however careful Luke was in assembling his narrative, he didn't put nearly as much time and effort in has subsequent centuries of scholars have to dissecting his every word.

For me, this modest approach to the historicity of the Gospels does not weaken my faith as a Christian because I actually am interested in the Gospels first of all as witnesses to the impact of Jesus on the author themselves (and their community). The fact that they tell the story a certain way (highlighting the weakness and incomprehension of the apostles, for instance), is both the most certain and the most critical fact for me. The historical content is also very important, of course, but I can hold the particulars loosely. It would take much longer to elaborate on this perspective, but I wanted to at least briefly state it.

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